80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   is this normality? or should i look somewhere else?1907d
/163.1.162.5   Oh HECK. I made the censor work randomly 50% of the time so it messed with that guy's mind1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   rubber????!!!!!1907d
/163.1.162.5   Sorry I programmed this thing in its original setting with some "funny" features1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   the next programme on BBC3 is "cyberwar"1907d
/163.1.162.5   Yeah it changed rubber to rubber, as it also changes eszett to diphthong1907d
/163.1.162.5   BBC>3<?1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   BBC2, i meant1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   it changed rubber to rubber? r-r-r-r-ight1907d
/163.1.162.5   LOL you don't know right now... There _is_ a BBC4 in fact1907d
/163.1.162.5   it changed t u n g s t e n to rubber (and just be glad I didn't put my next-gen censorship prog on or it'd mess even _that_ up for me)1907d
/163.1.162.5   I'm gonna allow HTML here1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   can it cange plastic into plastic too?1907d
/163.1.162.5   1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   i know about bbc4, i just don't receive it1907d
/163.1.162.5   Ah, much better1907d
/163.1.162.5   So do you like this chat thing in comparison to Yahoo yet?1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   quick glimpse of r.j.oppenheimer talking about the a-bomb...and now we're onto hackers1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   i've used a number of different chat set-ups now -- i do go onto things like yahoo chat from time to time, and other such1907d
/163.1.162.5   Strange1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   nice ducks. shame about the water1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   is this thing laggy, or is it me?1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   it's probably me, via ntl1907d
/163.1.162.5   The page is 16KB, because it's a 100-cell-long table, so it'll take a little while via dialup1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   they're treating us to a dude in boston who intercepts data-streams from all sorts of sources1907d
/163.1.162.5   Also you'll have to press "refresh" to get new messages (although I've just added a minute-ly auto-refresh)1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   ...and his friends. they call themselves "the L0pht"1907d
/163.1.162.5   auto-refresh doesn't work1907d
/163.1.162.5   Oh - heard of them1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   ah. refresh. 1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   they seem quite competent1907d
/163.1.162.5   is this a modern program or about 5 years old?1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   he's just explained it would take about 30 minutes to bring down the internet for a period of time1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   i haven't seen the copyright on the programme yet, but i'd guess the interview with them at least is old -- maybe mid-'90s?1907d
/163.1.162.5   Yeah I might have seen the same program (but again, forgotten most of the details). I'm SURE the internet is more stable in 2003 than it was in 1995. There have been some attempts recenrly at disabling the backbone servers and they haven't worked because it has a lot of redundancy1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   and now some guys from Rand Corp have described how they'd written an article about the vulnerability of anything depending on the web...1907d
/163.1.162.5   1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   ...and 'someone' came to them and tried to recall all the copies of the magazine, and to classify their work...1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   ...they've stopped writing about it.1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   spot the html-whiz...1907d
/163.1.162.5   Oh that's weird1907d
/163.1.162.5   that wasn't HTML that was an automatically generated smiley from the chars ( ° ) >1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   it was obviously one of the 'black-suit' brigade1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   ah1907d
/163.1.162.5   How much do you believe is that 'men in black' stuff?1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   what do you mean?1907d
/163.1.162.5   Well I dunno. Sometimes you see people on TV programmes like the one you're watching talking about "someone" coming around and suppressing them somehow1907d
/163.1.162.5   and I wondered how much of that you attribute to them being cranks and how much you believe1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   well, i am quite sure that NSA-types would lean on someone if they thought that person was publishing something that would 'give away' info that the government hoped no one had noticed1907d
/163.1.162.5   hmm yeah I suppose1907d
/163.1.162.5   BRB1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   the people on here don't seem to be cranks for the most part. they're being quite balanced on the whole. a number of them are academics in fields of computers, some are historians1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   ok1907d
/163.1.162.5   My problem right now is that I'm most alert at around 1-2am 1907d
/163.1.162.5   And so I'm rather out-of-sync1907d
/163.1.162.5   I'll have done nothing all day and as soon as it gets towards the evening (in today's instance) I make that galaxies thing and then spoontaneously do THIS.1907d
/163.1.162.5   in about 5x less time than I would have if I'd tried it during the daytime. But the downside is I can't get up in the mornings and have missed most if not all of this week's lectures so far1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   OK -- well, i need to get some sleep tonight myself. i've been out a few nights this week looking at stars1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   btw the programme was 19971907d
/163.1.162.5   Ah right - I thought it either aired first on C4 or BBC2 (at least the one I saw did)1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   there were a spate of things on cyber security in the late '90s...1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   i was just on yahoo IM answering your post there too1907d
/163.1.162.5   Hi again1907d
80.7.136.60/62.254.128.5   hide-and-seek in chat-space. oh joy.1907d
/163.1.162.5   BTW I haven't anything between #85 and #90 for you on Yahoo 1907d
/137.222.10.58   eek1906d
/163.1.162.5   {John you f00l I now know your IP address}1906d
/137.222.10.58   eek1906d
/137.222.10.58   im so scared1906d
/137.222.10.58   im not even running a firewall1906d
/137.222.10.58   1906d
/137.222.10.58   1906d
/137.222.10.58   1906d
/163.1.162.5   dum-de-dum1887d
/163.1.162.5   Hello Matthew1887d
/163.1.162.5   Oh FOUL it's giving us both the same IP address?1887d
/163.1.162.5   but of course1887d
/163.1.162.5   we're both connecting through alastair's lovely NAT thingyt1887d
/163.1.162.5   ooh, pretty colours1887d
/163.1.162.5   Alastair's buggered up whatever that NAT thing is1887d
/163.1.162.5   Can I do strong emphasis?1887d
/163.1.162.5   Why?1887d
/163.1.162.5   It used to be the case that my IP detection algorithm detected both the original computer's IP and the IP of a proxy1887d
/163.1.162.5   Too many computers in college to have 1 outside IP each, so we're all going through one computer to outside world1887d
/163.1.162.5   it's not a proxy1887d
/163.1.162.5   But no, I've had some e-mails doing strange things, including "Cannot resolve host nat-kludge-coz-alastair-cant-face-subnet-swap.trinity.ox.ac.uk"1887d
/163.1.162.5   that's the hostname for 163.1.162.51887d
/163.1.162.5   Yeah OK it's a router then...1887d
/163.1.162.5   But anyway, on a sensible LAN I'd've thought you'd have a local (internal) IP for the lan and then an internet IP for the router1887d
/163.1.162.5   Which is what my script _used_ to pick up 1887d
/163.1.162.5   it can't do that, internal IPs mustn't be picked up on the outside, too risky and silly - and you could still have doubles with two different people on different internal networks1887d
/163.1.162.5   Yeah but it raises the question, how can external web services find a unique ID for you?1887d
/163.1.162.5   Cookies are one way, but they're really foul in my opinion...1887d
/163.1.162.5   (And also this makes it REALLY TOUGH to run any sort of server here. Of course Alastair doesn't want that in this instance, but it's not good in general)1887d
/163.1.162.5   technically, servers probably break the IT thing we signed, cookies/session ID in URI is about the only way1887d
/163.1.162.5   or a digital certificate1887d
/163.1.162.5   1887d
/163.1.162.5   Hmm session ID isn't a bad idea. The other way is to have a database and get users to register I suppose1887d
/163.1.162.5   bye1887d
213.105.148.87/62.254.128.5   i'm not sure how i got here...1565d
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